Anyone else get the Covid Vaccine?

[Govmnt_Lacky]

I don't blame them for doing teachers first. It makes sense, people really want their kids back in school,

I would agree... if it wasn't for the fact that teacher's unions are arguing that they do not want to go back to in-class instruction even after getting prioritized for the vaccine 

[matmosphere]

Hadn't heard that, interesting. I guess it's probably a local issue some places.

All my teacher friends would much rather go back to the classroom ASAP after getting the vaccine. When I was teaching I was in a right to work state, there was a union, but it had no power at all and most people weren't part of it. If the district says it's time to go back the teachers there won't have a choice.

In my in-laws district older and high risk teachers can get wavers from doctors if there is a need, which to me makes sense, but unless there is a medical reason then teachers have to teach in the classroom.

Teachers unions or not though, the best way to open schools again is to vaccinate the staff. I was always catching little bugs when I was teaching. It's really hard to have over a hundred kids in and out of your room in a day and not catch the odd bug here and there.

[icecycle66]

I got the first round of Moderna by chance.

There were 16 people in my organization that are deemed mission critical.  But 6 of them refused the shot for whatever perosnnal reason.

The Director walked around the building and asked the first six people she saw "Do you want the vaccine?"
>>Yes.  Yes I do.


Nanobots and all, pump me full of lead.
It's not like the Army hasn't tested half a dozen things on me already anyway.

The day after my arm felt like somebody hit it with a hammer.  But that was all the side effect I felt.

[matmosphere]

This story got swept under the table because of the shit that went down a few hours later that day, but it's worth the read.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/06/us/california-broken-freezer-vaccines-trnd/index.html

[TGP39]

This story got swept under the table because of the shit that went down a few hours later that day, but it's worth the read.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/06/us/california-broken-freezer-vaccines-trnd/index.html

Things break and plans are not always feasible.  It takes leadership and quick action to make alternate plans on the fly with best possible outcomes.  It looks like they did a great job of not wasting any vaccine.  Good job.

On a side note; I received my second Moderna vaccine yesterday.  I woke up this morning with a low grade fever.  Well worth it in my view. 

[midwayfair]

Educators got their vaccines 3 weeks ago. They were prioritized BEFORE elderly.

This is misleading. Teachers are in category 1B, which is the same group as the general elderly not in institutions. And not everyone in every phase is prioritized exactly the same. Hard to believe, I know, but some teachers are more at risk than others, just like every large group of people. The Washington Post puts the absolute earliest they could all be vaccinated as the end of February, which is absolutely not "three weeks ago".

If any of your friends are teachers you could just ask them what their objections are.

I would agree... if it wasn't for the fact that teacher's unions are arguing that they do not want to go back to in-class instruction even after getting prioritized for the vaccine 

Not every teacher is prioritized at the same level and it will take months to vaccinate them all. The union opposes a blanket return ahead of the teachers all being vaccinated.

edited for tone

[gordo]

My most disturbing takeaway:

Govmnt_Lacky...you build some of the most cosmic pedals I've seen but you pay someone to fix your dryer???  Isn't that like Michelangelo hiring someone to paint the walls...

[EBK]

My most disturbing takeaway:

Govmnt_Lacky...you build some of the most cosmic pedals I've seen but you pay someone to fix your dryer???  Isn't that like Michelangelo hiring someone to paint the walls...

I've tried to pay someone once to fix my dryer, but no one would take the job.  Not enough money to make the trip worthwhile, I guess.  A bit of Youtube University and a $20 Amazon order, and I was good to go.

[Govmnt_Lacky]

This is misleading. Teachers are in category 1B, which is the same group as the general elderly not in institutions. And not everyone in every phase is prioritized exactly the same. Hard to believe, I know, but some teachers are more at risk than others, just like every large group of people. The Washington Post puts the absolute earliest they could all be vaccinated as the end of February, which is absolutely not "three weeks ago".

If any of your friends are teachers you could just ask them what their objections are.

How is this misleading?? Every teacher that I know... young and old... in my district has been vaccinated or offered the vaccine. Most, if not all, have received it already. Now, it may be a local/county thing but I can assure you that they HAVE received it already. Many of the local teachers are on social media and they were more than happy to share photos of themselves receiving the vaccine. I can also assure you that they were receiving them earlier this month. So.. maybe it was 2 weeks ago. I stand corrected on that.

Not every teacher is prioritized at the same level and it will take months to vaccinate them all. The union opposes a blanket return ahead of the teachers all being vaccinated.

I cannot disagree with this statement as I do not know every single teacher in my district however, I can say that quite a lot of them have received it and they have ALL been offered it. I can also say that (and this is directly from a local teacher that is aware of the feelings of the group) they are still not wanting to return. Now, whether they are 'forced' to return is a different matter but, the feelings are still there and they are resisting. Things may be different in your area.

[Govmnt_Lacky]

My most disturbing takeaway:

Govmnt_Lacky...you build some of the most cosmic pedals I've seen but you pay someone to fix your dryer???  Isn't that like Michelangelo hiring someone to paint the walls...

Haha... like EBK, I tried but no one would look at it. I did end up fixing my dryer quite a while ago myself 

[matmosphere]

All this stuff seems to depend so much on where you are and who is in charge. Greg maybe teachers in your area have all gotten or received the vaccine, but That is probably not true for everyone in the state. The problem has been that there was no universal plan, and there has also not been equal distribution.

I haven't heard of teachers in my father in-laws district in Ohio getting it at all yet, nor have I seen anything from my teacher friends in VA that suggest they have gotten it or been offered it. My father in-law is a teacher, over 65, and high risk for other reasons, I assume he is reasonably close to the top of the list, but sadly it seems really hard for anyone in his area to get it.

I would never begrudge anyone for taking the vaccine when it's offered. Hopefully the supply increases and better guidelines for distribution are put in place. This here is yours, you figure out what to do with it, we have had so far is clearly not the best option.

[Govmnt_Lacky]

All this stuff seems to depend so much on where you are and who is in charge. Greg maybe teachers in your area have all gotten or received the vaccine, but That is probably not true for everyone in the state. The problem has been that there was no universal plan, and there has also not been equal distribution.

I haven't heard of teachers in my father in-laws district in Ohio getting it at all yet, nor have I seen anything from my teacher friends in VA that suggest they have gotten it or been offered it. My father in-law is a teacher, over 65, and high risk for other reasons, I assume he is reasonably close to the top of the list, but sadly it seems really hard for anyone in his area to get it.

I would never begrudge anyone for taking the vaccine when it's offered. Hopefully the supply increases and better guidelines for distribution are put in place. This here is yours, you figure out what to do with it, we have had so far is clearly not the best option.

Totally agree with everything you said. The organization of this whole thing just makes me sad 

[matmosphere]

Yeah, big fail at a critical time. I'm worried we may be paying for it for a long time.

On a side not. I'm only getting the dryer fixed by someone else because we are living in a rental. Not my dryer so I should probably let them fix it.

[alanp]

Don't make the mistake of conflating what the Union organization itself thinks, with what the teachers themselves think. From my understanding, as well as looking out for their members' interests, American unions are highly, highly political.

I'm part of the union at my work (New Zealand), and it's pretty rare for the union to push us to vote for a given party, and even then it's never any kind of hard sell.

[eh là bas ma]

Three links from the British Medical Journal about the pandemic and the Pfiezer and Moderna vaccines

First link is the most important, published in november 2020, called "Covid-19: politicisation, “corruption,” and suppression of science" by Kamran Abbasi, executive editor

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425/

"Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us "

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037

"Covid-19 vaccine trial protocols released"

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4058

quote : "These studies seem designed to answer the easiest question in the least amount of time, not the most clinically relevant questions."

    Peter Doshi, associate editor

What do you think about what scientists are saying ?

In France, two famous and eminent scientists are threatened to loose, or have already lost their jobs, because they are asking questions : university professor, hospital practitioner C. Perronne; specialist in infectious diseases, professor of microbiology D. Raoult. And many other less known health workers, hospital resuscitators, doctors, etc. Administrative hierarchy is doing everything to silence them.

Is it the same abroad ?