Xvive MN3007 & MN3009 Reissues

[Scruffie]

http://www.xviveaudio.com/product.asp?id=148 

[somnif]

Well, that simplifies things a bit. Hopefully they're closer in price to modern 3207s than vintage 3007s.

[madbean]

Cool, now they should do a 3008 or 3208!

[Scruffie]

Well, that simplifies things a bit.. Hopefully they're closet in price to modern 3207s than vintage 3007s.

I'm gonna guess about $10 a chip, setting up production ain't cheap and not like there's any competition.

There's no real winner between the two when it comes to flangers, they each have their pluses and minuses spec wise but still, nice to have the option!

Cool, now they should do a 3008 or 3208!

What have you got planned for those

[lars]

Although it would be great to have new-production MN3009s available, this part worries me:

I hope their engineers are more detail-orientated than their advertisement team.

[somnif]

I'm gonna guess about $10 a chip, setting up production ain't cheap and not like there's any competition.

That makes me wonder, just what are the differences in production costs that create such a large disparity between the 300X's and 320X's.  (beyond coolaudio vs xvive's marketing departments I mean).

A new 3005 is 20$+, a 3205 is 6$. I know there are differences in headroom due to the voltage capabilities, but is that really worth a 300% price difference?

[alanp]

320x is probably closer to modern production techniques than 300x is.

[Scruffie]

Although it would be great to have new-production MN3009s available, this part worries me:

I hope their engineers are more detail-orientated than their advertisement team.

To make them just like the originals you get on ebay they're actually restamped MN3101 

I'm gonna guess about $10 a chip, setting up production ain't cheap and not like there's any competition.

That makes me wonder, just what are the differences in production costs that create such a large disparity between the 300X's and 320X's.  (beyond coolaudio vs xvive's marketing departments I mean).

A new 3005 is 20$+, a 3205 is 6$. I know there are differences in headroom due to the voltage capabilities, but is that really worth a 300% price difference?

CoolAudio is a much larger company as it's part of Behringer so they can likely afford to do these things cheaper.

These chips were never that cheap even in the 70s/80s, I can't remember exactly but I saw a SAD1024 from Radioshack with its original price label and it was something like $20 so with inflation...

[pietro_moog]

So, guys, do you think they'll do the infamous SAD1024 soon?

[somnif]

So, guys, do you think they'll do the infamous SAD1024 soon?

Last I checked, Reticon (via a roundabout path) is now part of a US Defense contractor (URS) doing all sorts of Area-51-esque black budget stuff. No idea how many of their product rights and manufacturing schemes came with them on that road, but I honestly can't see Uncle Sam setting up shop to manufacture noisy delay chips, as much fun as that would be.

[somnif]

Well cabintech has the 3007's up in stock. 13$ a piece, or 12$ when in batches, ouch.

For the moment that makes it literally cheaper to buy "vintage" 3007s. Granted that's not feasible for manufacturers looking to buy thousand chip lots, but for us DIY plebs I will admit I was hoping for a bit of savings.

[Yahoo67]

Near Montreal there is still a couple of old electronic stores that sells mn3007 at 2.50-5$ CAD. So if you live in or near a big city maybe check out if they still got some NOS parts. In my experience its good to call and check because most of the time they don't even post the obsolete parts on the website but still got some in stock if you're lucky! I got 20 ish mn3008 at 2.25$ CAD last year while wanting only to buy some mn3007 for a chorus ... The 3008 we're in the same small plastic bin and that store had also lots of germanium transistors at 50 cents each.

[pietro_moog]

Well, thinking about it: why did they do the mn3009?
I mean, i know just a few pedals with that IC, a couple of chorus and nothing more.

MAYBE they will do a 512 stages something.
Maybe not a Sad1024 (but i'm hoping for this btw), maybe a mn3002?

This would be reasonable.

[Invertiguy]

MAYBE they will do a 512 stages something.
Maybe not a Sad1024 (but i'm hoping for this btw), maybe a mn3002?

This would be reasonable.

I really want to see somebody reissue the mn3204. A/DA uses 2 of them in their reissue flangers to basically mimic the sad1024, as does Dead End FX in their clone of the Ibanez FL99. Even better would be the mn3210, which is basically the Panasonic equivalent of the Reticon chip and is even rarer nowadays.

[Scruffie]

Well, thinking about it: why did they do the mn3009?
I mean, i know just a few pedals with that IC, a couple of chorus and nothing more.

MAYBE they will do a 512 stages something.
Maybe not a Sad1024 (but i'm hoping for this btw), maybe a mn3002?

This would be reasonable.

MN3009's, probably because of the huge market from synth users and I would assume to design their own flanger.

The MN3002 would be awful (don't forget its irritating power requirements and high noise) an MN3010 would be okay.

MAYBE they will do a 512 stages something.
Maybe not a Sad1024 (but i'm hoping for this btw), maybe a mn3002?

This would be reasonable.

I really want to see somebody reissue the mn3204. A/DA uses 2 of them in their reissue flangers to basically mimic the sad1024, as does Dead End FX in their clone of the Ibanez FL99. Even better would be the mn3210, which is basically the Panasonic equivalent of the Reticon chip and is even rarer nowadays.

Clones of the MN3204 do exist but they're currently exclusive to MXR but (I'm pretty sure) they're made by Cool Audio who with their new synths may well be using them so it's not improbable they might be released.