dotted eight delay using Zero point DD or sea urchin

[Gledison]

Hey mates!
look, we are currently playing a song from Die Toten Rosen (Tage wie diese) and i was setting up the DD-7 of my friend in order to get the dotted eight delay.
My question is, do you know some trick to get the same with the Zero point DD or sea urchin without a Tap tempo?
the trial and error is exhausting...
thanks for any tip
cheers

[gtr2]

I just use my ear on my non tap tempo delays.  Not really helpful I know, but once you do it a few times you can find it pretty quickly.

[Gledison]

I just use my ear on my non tap tempo delays.  Not really helpful I know, but once you do it a few times you can find it pretty quickly.

thanks man!
yeah, maybe just need to invest some time on it...
cheers

[brucer]

Not sure if this will be helpful or confusing ... but, maybe you could figure out the BPM of your track and use the known range of your delay unit and these formulas to train your ear for dotted 1/8'th's?

Delay Times

1/4 note delay
1/8th note delay
1/16th note delay

e.g. 108 bpm @ 4/4 time: 1/4 note = 108 bpm

1/4 note delay:

60,000/108=  556 ms delay time

1/8th note delay:

60,000/(108*2)= 60.000/216 = 276 ms delay time

1/16th note delay:

1/4 note delay/4=139  ms delay time

or

60,000/(108*4)= 60.000/432 = 139 ms delay time


Dotted 1/8th note delay:

   1/4 note delay*0.75=417  ms delay time

   or

   1/16 note delay*3=417  ms delay time

   or

   1/8 note delay+1/16 note delay = 414 ms delay time

   or

   60,000/(108*1.33) = 60,000/143.6 = 417 ms delay time

[selfdestroyer]

wow, way to early here for math. lol

Great post brucer

Cody

[Gledison]

Not sure if this will be helpful or confusing ... but, maybe you could figure out the BPM of your track and use the known range of your delay unit and these formulas to train your ear for dotted 1/8'th's?

Delay Times

1/4 note delay
1/8th note delay
1/16th note delay

e.g. 108 bpm @ 4/4 time: 1/4 note = 108 bpm

1/4 note delay:

60,000/108=  556 ms delay time

1/8th note delay:

60,000/(108*2)= 60.000/216 = 276 ms delay time

1/16th note delay:

1/4 note delay/4=139  ms delay time

or

60,000/(108*4)= 60.000/432 = 139 ms delay time


Dotted 1/8th note delay:

   1/4 note delay*0.75=417  ms delay time

   or

   1/16 note delay*3=417  ms delay time

   or

   1/8 note delay+1/16 note delay = 414 ms delay time

   or

   60,000/(108*1.33) = 60,000/143.6 = 417 ms delay time

Yes! I think this is the way to go...
thanks

[Muadzin]

Not sure if this will be helpful or confusing ... but, maybe you could figure out the BPM of your track and use the known range of your delay unit and these formulas to train your ear for dotted 1/8'th's?

Delay Times

1/4 note delay
1/8th note delay
1/16th note delay

e.g. 108 bpm @ 4/4 time: 1/4 note = 108 bpm

1/4 note delay:

60,000/108=  556 ms delay time

1/8th note delay:

60,000/(108*2)= 60.000/216 = 276 ms delay time

1/16th note delay:

1/4 note delay/4=139  ms delay time

or

60,000/(108*4)= 60.000/432 = 139 ms delay time


Dotted 1/8th note delay:

   1/4 note delay*0.75=417  ms delay time

   or

   1/16 note delay*3=417  ms delay time

   or

   1/8 note delay+1/16 note delay = 414 ms delay time

   or

   60,000/(108*1.33) = 60,000/143.6 = 417 ms delay time

I'm not sure if there's any point to calculating bpm's and ms' when dealing with a delay which has only a simple time knob. As has been said, unless it has tap tempo the only way to determine exact dotted eight delay with a DIY delay is by ear.

[wgc]

I'm not sure if there's any point to calculating bpm's and ms' when dealing with a delay which has only a simple time knob. As has been said, unless it has tap tempo the only way to determine exact dotted eight delay with a DIY delay is by ear.

This is the way I have always done it, it will get you close but you still have to tweak by ear.

If you have a drum machine or metronome, you can use it to help too.  You'll need to do some math for bpm, as above, to figure out how many bpm a dotted eighth note gets.  Set it so the metronome clicks every dotted eighth, play a note on the click and adjust your time so the repeat lines up with the next click.

Your drummer can probably help too.   1 e and a, 2 e and a,  etc.

[Muadzin]

This is the way I have always done it, it will get you close but you still have to tweak by ear.

If you have a drum machine or metronome, you can use it to help too.  You'll need to do some math for bpm, as above, to figure out how many bpm a dotted eighth note gets.  Set it so the metronome clicks every dotted eighth, play a note on the click and adjust your time so the repeat lines up with the next click.

Your drummer can probably help too.   1 e and a, 2 e and a,  etc.

I reckon its probably far, far FAR simpler just to get a commercially affordable delay with tap tempo. The TC Electronic Flashback or the Line 6 Echo Park come to mind. Don't get me wrong, I love building DIY delays, and they have good sounds, but most of them are basically one trick ponies. You want versatility, better to get a delay from the big boys. And lets face it, 99.99% of the audience will just not hear the difference between the cheapest ass delay made by Behringer versus the sweetest voiced analog delay. With mojo parts! Might as well save oneself the trouble.

[billstein]

This is the way I have always done it, it will get you close but you still have to tweak by ear.

If you have a drum machine or metronome, you can use it to help too.  You'll need to do some math for bpm, as above, to figure out how many bpm a dotted eighth note gets.  Set it so the metronome clicks every dotted eighth, play a note on the click and adjust your time so the repeat lines up with the next click.

Your drummer can probably help too.   1 e and a, 2 e and a,  etc.

I reckon its probably far, far FAR simpler just to get a commercially affordable delay with tap tempo. The TC Electronic Flashback or the Line 6 Echo Park come to mind. Don't get me wrong, I love building DIY delays, and they have good sounds, but most of them are basically one trick ponies. You want versatility, better to get a delay from the big boys. And lets face it, 99.99% of the audience will just not hear the difference between the cheapest ass delay made by Behringer versus the sweetest voiced analog delay. With mojo parts! Might as well save oneself the trouble.

Can't the Hamlet+ do this with the Tap Tempo?

[Muadzin]

Can't the Hamlet+ do this with the Tap Tempo?

I don't know what the Hamlet+ can do exactly, other then tap tempo. Maybe if it has a option for a dotted 8th?

I still hold the TC Flashback as an example as to what a fully fledged DIY should be capable off in order to replace it on my board. Both in size and capability. Who knows, there are some clever boffins here. Time will tell.

[billstein]

Can't the Hamlet+ do this with the Tap Tempo?

I don't know what the Hamlet+ can do exactly, other then tap tempo. Maybe if it has a option for a dotted 8th?

I still hold the TC Flashback as an example as to what a fully fledged DIY should be capable off in order to replace it on my board. Both in size and capability. Who knows, there are some clever boffins here. Time will tell.

TBH I'm not sure if the Hamlet can do this either, I guess I was assuming the tap tempo would solve the timing problems.
I'm a delay noob so I'm still trying to figure all this out.

[mgwhit]

Can't the Hamlet+ do this with the Tap Tempo?

Yep.  The Taptation chip that the Hamlet+ uses supports 1/1, 1/2 and 3/4 divisions of the tap tempo (i.e. quarter notes, eighth notes and dotted eighths).  The Taptation also supports a "double-time" switch which actually halves the delay time, giving you eighth notes, sixteenth notes and dotted sixteenths, but the Hamlet+ doesn't appear to support that directly on the board.