Figuring out circuit order for early 70s Jeff Beck tones

[MarkL]

Hi -- so, I've built up a Cherry Bomb and I also cooked up a Tone Bender Mk II, and I want to determine the right sequence for setting up a signal chain to best approximate Beck's tone on Blow By Blow and Wired.  If I'm running both at the same time, would the best sequence be the Tone Bender INTO the Cherry Bomb? 

[strat68]

Although I'm not sure about JB's pedals I do know that back then he said he ran the output of a Fender Champ (6 watts) directly to the input of a Marshall.

[cooder]

Although I'm not sure about JB's pedals I do know that back then he said he ran the output of a Fender Champ (6 watts) directly to the input of a Marshall.

Wouldn't you completly obliterate the input of an amp by running the output of another amp...?
You're sure there wasn't some sort of line out modification on that Fender Champ?

[RobA]

Although I'm not sure about JB's pedals I do know that back then he said he ran the output of a Fender Champ (6 watts) directly to the input of a Marshall.

Wouldn't you completly obliterate the input of an amp by running the output of another amp...?
You're sure there wasn't some sort of line out modification on that Fender Champ?

Even if you somehow didn't obliterate both of the amps (Champs back then didn't have line outs did they?), it would almost certainly sound like crap. The impedances are mismatched and the signal levels would be very wrong.

I thought that JB was pretty much straight Marshall at that point.

For the original question, I thought the he used the Colorsound Overdriver into the Marshall and wouldn't have had much in the way of fuzz involved. Other than that, I wouldn't think you'd want to put the ToneBender after the Overdriver anyway.

[Mich P]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqUINS7NH44
Circa '75
Mich P.

[Cortexturizer]

this interests me a lot. but I could never find much about his gear. on the other hand, he's one of the most authentic players out there, you could plug him into a line 6 spider and nobody could tell the difference, I'm sure of that.

[RobA]

This article has some details about amps and effects that Beck used during the period. It's a fairly long article. The section talking about what he used is about halfway down the page just after the section with George Martin discussing the recording sessions.

http://jasobrecht.com/jeff-beck-fusion-years/

The main relevant quote is this I think,

In his November 1975 Guitar Player interview, Jeff was asked about his amplification and effects during this period: I'm still using the same wattage output – 200 watts. Two Fender speaker cabinets and two Marshall tops. I have the amp miked, though. I used to use Sunn amps [with Beck, Bogert & Appice], but the Marshall tops give you the right sort of gritty sound. The Sunn is a bit too clean. The Fender speakers are a bit more reliable than the Marshall speakers, but the Marshall top is better, I think. I also have a booster and wah wah. It's an overdrive booster. It's just a preamp that distorts, not a fuzz box. It gives you instant power, sustain, and distortion." During the Wired sessions, Beck also reportedly used a Dan Armstrong Green Ringer, as heard on "Come Dancing" and "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat."

[Cortexturizer]

Hah! He's come a long way from then, using a Pro Junior was it, that's like how much, 15w? Hehe

So it's definitely the overdriver then.

I was making some experiments with my own amp getting it down to 7.5W via triode switch and hitting it with the colorsound and it definitely sings really really well. My pickups are too hot though, I have to try that combo with a strat for sure.

Hah, just remembered this - I was watching this movie for the first time like a couple of days ago and Jeff is so funny here and I love the guitar destruction scene, also Page's fuzz tone here is incredible!

[Cortexturizer]

seriously what kind of fuzz tone is this? has to be either the marshall supafuzz or some other bender variant. sounds glorious.