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Envirotex over time

Started by AntKnee, October 20, 2014, 03:24:56 PM

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AntKnee

Now that some envirotexing has been going for a bit, I was wondering what everyone's comments might be  regarding the durability and finish of your ET'd pedals now that you've used and abused them. Please share your experiences. Thanks!
I build, and once in a while I might sell, pedals as "Vertigo Effects".

pickdropper

Surprisingly, it hasn't yellowed yet, although I expect there will be some over time.
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AntKnee

Quote from: pickdropper on October 20, 2014, 04:23:53 PM
Surprisingly, it hasn't yellowed yet, although I expect there will be some over time.

Out of curiosity, how long has the ET been in place without yellowing?
I build, and once in a while I might sell, pedals as "Vertigo Effects".

pickdropper

Quote from: AntKnee on October 21, 2014, 01:15:42 PM
Quote from: pickdropper on October 20, 2014, 04:23:53 PM
Surprisingly, it hasn't yellowed yet, although I expect there will be some over time.

Out of curiosity, how long has the ET been in place without yellowing?

Probably at least a year.  It's not completely clear, but I don't think it's significantly more yellow.

Still, most epoxy does yellow over time (some faster than others).  Envirotex is like the poured epoxy they use on bar tops, although I am not sure if it's the exact same formulation.
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juansolo

Same stuff as the bartop epoxy IIRC. Ours haven't yellowed and we've been using it a lomg time now (over two years). Some of the decals underneath have suffered from UV though. But that's the ink I've used.
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TNblueshawk

Since 99% of mine are dark pedals if there is some yellowing I can't see it. I did my first one in 2011 I think and all is well. I don't abuse mine much though being a home hacker so someone who gigs might have a take on how well it holds up to smacking around, beer spillage and nacho cheese stains.
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I still suspect that the Envirotex will yellow over time.  Exposure to UV is the primary cause of the yellowing.  Some epoxies are less susceptible to it, but I am not familiar with any that are immune.

A good experiment would be to take a scrap enclosure and cover it with epoxy and then put it outside in the sun.  You could then compare it with a build that was epoxied at the same time and stored indoors.

There are a couple of other pour-on epoxy manufacturers that both claim to be less susceptible to yellowing than Envirotex Lite is.  One of them, ArtResin actually did a UV test with all three epoxies.  More info below.

http://www.artresin.com/2013/04/6-month-uv-yellowing-test-results/

http://eti-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/20130214-ConcreteCounterTops.pdf

http://eti-usa.com/ex-74-uv/

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Quote from: pickdropper on October 23, 2014, 04:39:38 PM
I still suspect that the Envirotex will yellow over time.  Exposure to UV is the primary cause of the yellowing.  Some epoxies are less susceptible to it, but I am not familiar with any that are immune.

A good experiment would be to take a scrap enclosure and cover it with epoxy and then put it outside in the sun.  You could then compare it with a build that was epoxied at the same time and stored indoors.

There are a couple of other pour-on epoxy manufacturers that both claim to be less susceptible to yellowing than Envirotex Lite is.  One of them, ArtResin actually did a UV test with all three epoxies.  More info below.

http://www.artresin.com/2013/04/6-month-uv-yellowing-test-results/

http://eti-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/20130214-ConcreteCounterTops.pdf

http://eti-usa.com/ex-74-uv/

Mask off half of the tanning enclosure so it receives no UV rays then you'l have a direct comparison.
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TNblueshawk

Quote from: pickdropper on October 23, 2014, 04:39:38 PM
I still suspect that the Envirotex will yellow over time.  Exposure to UV is the primary cause of the yellowing.  Some epoxies are less susceptible to it, but I am not familiar with any that are immune.

A good experiment would be to take a scrap enclosure and cover it with epoxy and then put it outside in the sun.  You could then compare it with a build that was epoxied at the same time and stored indoors.

There are a couple of other pour-on epoxy manufacturers that both claim to be less susceptible to yellowing than Envirotex Lite is.  One of them, ArtResin actually did a UV test with all three epoxies.  More info below.

http://www.artresin.com/2013/04/6-month-uv-yellowing-test-results/

http://eti-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/20130214-ConcreteCounterTops.pdf

http://eti-usa.com/ex-74-uv/

Also I ended up switching to Park's Glaze from Home Depot the last couple years due to ease of getting it for me. I never did compare the exact ingredients and percentages to each. The performance was the same though in putting it on.
John

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Quote from: davent on October 23, 2014, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: pickdropper on October 23, 2014, 04:39:38 PM
I still suspect that the Envirotex will yellow over time.  Exposure to UV is the primary cause of the yellowing.  Some epoxies are less susceptible to it, but I am not familiar with any that are immune.

A good experiment would be to take a scrap enclosure and cover it with epoxy and then put it outside in the sun.  You could then compare it with a build that was epoxied at the same time and stored indoors.

There are a couple of other pour-on epoxy manufacturers that both claim to be less susceptible to yellowing than Envirotex Lite is.  One of them, ArtResin actually did a UV test with all three epoxies.  More info below.

http://www.artresin.com/2013/04/6-month-uv-yellowing-test-results/

http://eti-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/20130214-ConcreteCounterTops.pdf

http://eti-usa.com/ex-74-uv/

Mask off half of the tanning enclosure so it receives no UV rays then you'l have a direct comparison.

Yeah, that's a good idea.

The covered side might still yellow more than the indoor one due to the heat, but it'd be nice to know for certain.
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