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Boneyard Problem - no sound (voltages inside)

Started by memor82, August 17, 2014, 04:19:33 PM

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memor82

Hi everybody,
I've a problem with my boneyard.
I've the bypass signal but not the effected.
And I hear the changing of the channels (low/high/boost)
because I hear the "noise" that increases (but without any guitar's sound).

I use  LF347 and the ICL7660S.
Voltages of ICL7660s are:

1=9,69
2=4,85
3=0
4= -4,63
5= -9,39
6=5,14
7=7,62
8=9,69

Voltages of LF347 are:

1=0
2= -0,3 mV
3=0
4= 9,68
5=0
6=0
7=0
8=0
9=0
10= -0,3mV
11= -9,38
12=0
13= -1,5mV
14= -1,5mV

When I put togheter the parts there was a litlle bridge of solder between the pin 11 and 12
and when I try to power the pedal there was no signal (and no noise increasing with changing channels).
Now , that I corrected the error, only increasing noise changing channels.

I also add a ground wire input sleeve-> output sleeve because
the pedal was hum-noisy!

I attach pictures :-D
Thank you very much, and sorry for my english
Andrea



jimilee

Looks like you have several joints that are touching, make sure they are supposed  to be.
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memor82

Quote from: jimilee on August 17, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Looks like you have several joints that are touching, make sure they are supposed  to be.
Yes but I verified with schematics and where there are links below there is the copper..if I check correctly :-)

jimilee

Do you have the dc jack ground connected to the input sleeve also?
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memor82

Quote from: jimilee on August 17, 2014, 11:01:26 PM
Do you have the dc jack ground connected to the input sleeve also?
No...i've only the wire from ground of dc jack to the pcb

jimilee

What happens when you do that? Do you get sound then?
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memor82


memor82

#7
Thank you jimilee!
Another "info".
It seems that the lights of the leds (green/yellow/red) are low than usual
(I used 3 x 4,7k resistors as indicated)

Thanks mates :)

wgc

You probably have a short somewhere. Theres a few places on your pcb where it looks like a lead is touching the ground plane. Also a bit of solder splatter. Double check your switch wiring. Frustrating but likely something small and simple.
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memor82

Quote from: wgc on August 18, 2014, 12:58:20 PM
You probably have a short somewhere. Theres a few places on your pcb where it looks like a lead is touching the ground plane. Also a bit of solder splatter. Double check your switch wiring. Frustrating but likely something small and simple.
Thanks wgc!
The wiring seems correct :(
Also I've a problem.
I can't remove the solder splatter from the copper with the desoldering pump.
Any suggestions? :)

mgwhit

Quote from: memor82 on August 18, 2014, 03:37:59 PM
Also I've a problem.
I can't remove the solder splatter from the copper with the desoldering pump.
Any suggestions? :)

Desoldering braid is more effective for cleaning etched boards.  Place the braid over the bridge and apply the iron to the top of the braid.  When heated, the stray solder would much rather be on the copper traces or in the braid than anywhere else.  Much less chance of lifting a trace that way.  I only find desoldering pumps useful for removing components.

memor82

Found it!
A little join on the right of the photo.
I've scratched with a small screwdriver the join and voilĂ !
After I'll desolder correctly the solder ;)

But I see that the pedal seems a little noisy with all the three configurations..
and the leds, expecially yellow and green, seem still low than usual

Haberdasher

hopefully the noise will clean up some once it's boxed.
if they are diffused yellow & green, those things are often very dim.  the only thing you can do is maybe try a lower value on their resistors like 2k2.  it might take some experimentation.
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memor82

Quote from: Haberdasher on August 18, 2014, 08:26:16 PM
hopefully the noise will clean up some once it's boxed.
if they are diffused yellow & green, those things are often very dim.  the only thing you can do is maybe try a lower value on their resistors like 2k2.  it might take some experimentation.
Thanks Haber ;)
I'll buy some yellow BRIGHT and green BRIGHT led with the same 4,7k resistors :D
Just a doubt.
The ground wire from input sleeve-> output sleeve.
Can I'll remove it when I'll box the pedal?
Thanks!

jimilee

Quote from: memor82 on August 19, 2014, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: Haberdasher on August 18, 2014, 08:26:16 PM
hopefully the noise will clean up some once it's boxed.
if they are diffused yellow & green, those things are often very dim.  the only thing you can do is maybe try a lower value on their resistors like 2k2.  it might take some experimentation.
Thanks Haber ;)
I'll buy some yellow BRIGHT and green BRIGHT led with the same 4,7k resistors :D
Just a doubt.
The ground wire from input sleeve-> output sleeve.
Can I'll remove it when I'll box the pedal?
Thanks!
Yep, it will get continuity through your enclosure.
Pedal building is like the opposite of sex.  All the fun stuff happens before you get in the box.