Zero Point Micro into Smoothie - can you phase just the repeats?

[mcallisterra]

I've only ever built a few BYOC pedals and I'm currently working on my first MadBean (Mangler), but it got me thinking of trying a two-in-one of a Zero Point Micro into a Smoothie in one enclosure. I'm not savvy in this in the slightest, so if this is stupid I apologize, but would it be possible to send just the repeats through the Smoothie while keeping the original signal un-phased?

Thanks! 

[kothoma]

Sure, just put the Smoothie between lug 2 of the Mix pot and the following capacitor.

[timbo_93631]

I've done this a number of times with the Zero Point DD now.  It is easiest to connect the input of the smoothie to mix pad 3 on the PCB and the output to lug 3 of the mix pot.  I have been using Stomptown Galacticon and Galacticon Deluxe phase shifters from the FS section here and find the blend control to be very useful.  You might want to consider adding a toggle so you can bypass the smoothie unless you are building to be a dedicated delay+phase.  Here's some of mine with it:
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14872.msg139369#msg139369
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14125.msg131100#msg131100

[mcallisterra]

I've done this a number of times with the Zero Point DD now.  It is easiest to connect the input of the smoothie to mix pad 3 on the PCB and the output to lug 3 of the mix pot.  I have been using Stomptown Galacticon and Galacticon Deluxe phase shifters from the FS section here and find the blend control to be very useful.  You might want to consider adding a toggle so you can bypass the smoothie unless you are building to be a dedicated delay+phase.  Here's some of mine with it:
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14872.msg139369#msg139369
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14125.msg131100#msg131100

Awesome, sounds cool. I'm thinking of keeping it more simple, leaving the phase always-on for the repeats.

Another question - I have a 125B enclosure laying around - does anyone know if the Zero Point Micro and Smoothie would be crammable in there?

[timbo_93631]

Side by side it would be pretty tight, Smoothie is 1.31" wide, ZPMicro is 1.3", 125b is usually 2.6" on the open end.

[wgc]

Cool idea. 

I'd consider doing the zero point solo with a dry output and a wet output.  Then you could put whatever you want on the wet. 

[mcallisterra]

Cool idea. 

I'd consider doing the zero point solo with a dry output and a wet output.  Then you could put whatever you want on the wet.

That's an awesome idea. So you could do it with 2 output jacks, one clean only, and one repeats only? Kind of like making it stereo?

[wgc]

Yeah, I think so.

Another way might be a send and return on the delay. This gives you a way to blend effected wet and maybe avoid some potential buffering issues.

[culturejam]

You could also add an effects loop to the delay line and use whatever effect (or multiple effects) you want for the repeats.

[jimilee]

Paramix over at gpcb will do the same? It has an effects loop and a blend,  not really a blend so much but you can adjust the clean signal and the wet signal volumes separately.so you still get clean signal and effect signal.

[timbo_93631]

You can also use the JMK panner or Rockhorst's panner (PM him).  I have used both of these for dedicated fx loops on the repeats or board outputs of various delays and they work great.  Also there is the TH-Custom madbox which would work if you jumpered the in/out pads of one side of the mixer.

[mcallisterra]

Now that I'm thinking about it, I kinda like the idea of being able to send just the repeats to other effects and even another amp. If using a panner or effects loop, would it be possible to do that, or would it have to terminate back inside the pedal to be mixed with the original signal?

[timbo_93631]

you can just use the panner send as a line out, where it would just be a splitter.  If you have the blend control past noon on the loop side then you will have a reduction in volume of the repeats.

[mcallisterra]

Thanks everyone! Super helpful. I may resurrect this thread when I actually get stuff ordered and give this a go, as this is my first attempt at doing any combining/modding so I'm sure I'll get slightly lost at some point 

[mcallisterra]

You can also use the JMK panner or Rockhorst's panner (PM him).  I have used both of these for dedicated fx loops on the repeats or board outputs of various delays and they work great.  Also there is the TH-Custom madbox which would work if you jumpered the in/out pads of one side of the mixer.

The JMK panner looks great, hopefully they're back in stock again at some point. Sorry if I'm being a little slow here, but where abouts would the panner PCB be placed so as to work as an fx loop/splitter on just the repeats?