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#46
Genius Jacob, 2 sockets for the price of one!
#47
And just to close out this thread, I found that the probable reason that the diode died is that I short circuited everything when placing in the box due to using a new part that I really didnt think about.  Tayda sells a
DC Power Jack 2.1mm Panel Mount Bulkhead, that looks nice and attaches from the inside, so that you can put it in the enclosure after you wire. Unfortunately, it is metal and the sleeve is not insulated from the exterior. So when using Center - circuits the sleeve is +, but the sleeve of the input is connected to ground and also uninsulated...so I short everything through the enclosure....arggh.
#48
OK. Finally found the problem. d16 was shorted.
Looking back, it was of course obvious, and totally makes sense from what I was seeing.
Good news is that I didnt zonk any of my ICS!....
Wacka wacka...

Ben
#49
Ok, I am still having no luck on this. Maybe before I go further someone with more electronics knowledge could help me.

Just looking at the (honeydripper) upper schematic that has the voltage doubler:

1) Can I consider this separate from the rest of the circuit, ie do I need to worry about other ICS being bad, other caps and resistors and traces outside of this "power circuit", in the context of why I am seeing incorrect voltages.

2) Should the voltage be doubled at the point where the 1054 loops back into the supply voltage? If so, than since I am seeing additional voltage increase after the second 4001 diode, is this indicating a grounding issue of some kind? (I see 12.9V after first diode, 16.4 after second).

3) I noticed that in TI pdf for the 1054, they tie pin 5 to ground...is that not actually necessary?

Thanks for your time, I am sorry if I seem to be self spamming this thread, I just don't know where to go from here.

Ben
#50
I believe it is regulating your voltage, if under 9.1V path is closed and the cap gets charged. If over the excess will go to ground.

Are you sure you have it oriented the correct way? Are you getting 9V at pin 8 of the 1054?
#51
Sorry for the corrections, I said d12 above, actually I should be looking at d13.
I have 9.1V at pin8 of the 1054. Then after d14 its 12.9, then after d13 its 16.4V
Lower than 18 but is it ok?

However after R42 I am seeing 5.1V instead of 10V on the spec.  This I don't understand. r42 measures 3K9, why am I not seeing 10V? Also the output at the +end of d16 is 9.1 not 5....

Help.
#52
I am also seeing only 5.1v at the end of r43 (and d15)....This is weird.
Ok, to recap
Where I am supposed to be seeing 18v I see 13,
Where I am supposed to see 10 I see 5
and where I am supposed to see 5 I see 9.14.
Has one of the zeners failed?

#53
Sorry, my second 1054 that I swapped in was bad...on my last one and now have half of what I need
Leg 2 of the 1054 is now measuring 4.6, then back at the end of  d12 I am getting 13V....should be getting 18V right? I did pull the two 100uf and they were fine.
On the + end of c20 I am reading 9.14V. This is bad right?

Thanks for your time,
Ben
#54
Ok, well I am just a novice but looking at the schematic I see that I am supposed to have a voltage doubler that acts as Vcc for the other ICs, correct? Well, This is not happening...
Can anyone direct me to what I should check next?  The 2 10uf caps measure fine in circuit. I need to pull the 100uf ones to get a reading.

Thanks,
Ben
#55
Here are the voltages of the  ICS:
JRC4558
7.34
5.9
0.12
0
0
.12
5.9
7.39
0

Both 3080 are the same:
0
0.1
0.1
0
0
0.1
7.9
0

1054
0.79
0.05
0
0.66
0.83
0.88
7.43
9.15

324N (out side)
0.38
0.38
0.38
7.9
0.117
0.23
0
0
0.27
0
0
0
0.2
0

324N (in side)
0.2
0.1
0.1
7.89
0.1
0.1
0.1
0
0.1
0
0.1
0.1
0.1

All IC's were swapped out and everything was reflowed.
#56
Ok. I have a honeydripper that is built to spec, and was working before I boxed it. Trying to fit it into a 125b, I had to make things tight and ended up scraping the top of 2 of those 4 caps on the top right (next to the 1054) with the output connector when inserting it. I can hear output fine on bypass, but when engaged I hear a very quiet signal (whisper), with some fuzz but no quacking. When I started pulling it back out of the box I got full volume for a second as I was pulling out the pots, but since then back to whisper
I have pulled out all the ic's, reflowed everything, and swapped new ic's in with no luck.  I will take readings tomorrow, but before I do, would the caps have anything to do with this? Should I pull them and check them? I am getting steady 9v into the 1054. The 4558 is showing output of 14-16 V.


Also, I pulled out a pot thinking it was bust because it was measuring 0 , but when I unwired it and tested it was fine. The other measures fine when wired. Both 10kB.  Would this be a bad diiode somewhere?

Arggh, this is such a cool effect, I should have waited for my BB enclosure to arrive.....

Thanks,
Ben
#57
Could I replace the d4 with an on/on switch with a led on one throw and a wire on other, creating a sym/ asym switch?

Thanks,
Ben
#58
Sorry, in my excited haste I think I came off bad.
I meant to say, that I would really appreciate it if someone could explain why the q4 wasnt working with the old values.

Thanks again,
Ben
#59
Ok, so I swapped out r20 and r23.
I took out the 390R and replaced it with 2K7
and took out the 470k and replaced it with 390K

Now it works!

Soooo, somebody needs to do that math and tell me what happened.
And I think the Creamy Dreamer spec should be changed....or another tranny than 5088
recommended.

Thanks,
Ben
#60
Well, it's the official pcb ordered from madbean and all the transistors are oriented correctly and the emitter of q4 traces thru to volume and then out...so that is correct.  You may have had the same problem as me, but your "fix" of reversing the tranny just created a pass thru, so you were getting no amplification from that stage...I think. I am going to pull out r20-23 and socket them and try some different values...

Ben