And it's the Green Ringer. Blech. How can the guy who created my favorite, always-on pedal have created this thing?
I'm actually somewhat amused by how absolutely horrendous it is. The wife is less amused. :P
Oh well. At least I have a low rider! :D
HAHAHAHAHA...
That's funny, because it's literally the easiest circuit to get into a 1590a...
Jacob
Quote from: midwayfair on September 16, 2012, 01:53:15 AM
How can the guy who created my favorite, always-on pedal have created this thing?
Orange Squeezer?
Quote from: jtn191 on September 16, 2012, 02:00:56 AM
Quote from: midwayfair on September 16, 2012, 01:53:15 AM
How can the guy who created my favorite, always-on pedal have created this thing?
Orange Squeezer?
You got it. :)
Jacob: It's pretty small for sure. Having no pots is awesomesauce.
At least I'm only out like $2 in parts, if that. Maybe I'll use it on a noise recording.
I actually like the Green Ringer. I like that nasty octave up sound, but I can definitely see how it wouldn't be for everyone :D
Has anybody tried a GR in tandem with an octave fuzz?
I can't help but be intrigued by the thought.
I have a Green Ringer following a Tonepad Blue Box, and it's super fun. It actually helps brighten up the Blue Box quite a bit.
Quote from: midwayfair on September 16, 2012, 01:53:15 AM
I'm actually somewhat amused by how absolutely horrendous it is. The wife is less amused. :P
;D
... i actually think its a fun circuit. but i definately agree that its very limited. I would say that its basically just one octave (D string, 12th fret, to B string, 15th fret), where it is really usable.
And... i happen to have it in the same enclosure as the orange thing... so i carry it with me:) ... but when i want that octave sound, i do stomp the Low Rider more often.
Cheers
Quote from: Vallhagen on September 17, 2012, 02:12:49 PM
... i actually think its a fun circuit. but i definately agree that its very limited. I would say that its basically just one octave (D string, 12th fret, to B string, 15th fret), where it is really usable.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I found.
To be fair, I did find a couple other interesting sounds elsewhere on the neck (sitar type stuff as shown in some demos online), but it's really hard for me to imagine anyone using this thing for more than 15 seconds in a 1-hour set.
Given that it works best with the tone knob rolled all the way off on the guitar, I'm very, very surprised that no one's ever added a TONE attack control to this pedal (not that I've seen, anyway). Just a 250K pot with a 22n cap to ground at the input. That would keep you from needing to roll off the tone before stomping on the pedal. Seems like it would be far more useful than a volume control (and it provides a little of that, too).
Quote from: midwayfair on September 17, 2012, 02:18:49 PM
... more than 15 seconds in a 1-hour set.
;D
Hard to argue on that. Except the fact that 15 seconds is - after all - more than... say ... 7 seconds?
Let's hear it!
Personally, I love ring modulators, but you have to set them just right and be into that sort of sound. With the right settings/combo I love em. But even then it is not something you have turned on often or for long periods of time. I am currently using a Line6 MM4 for trem/phase/ring modulator. I love the options and such but I am really pining for the day I replace it with home made baby builds. :)
C
Quote from: Om_Audio on September 18, 2012, 07:07:35 PM
Let's hear it!
Personally, I love ring modulators, but you have to set them just right and be into that sort of sound. With the right settings/combo I love em. But even then it is not something you have turned on often or for long periods of time. I am currently using a Line6 MM4 for trem/phase/ring modulator. I love the options and such but I am really pining for the day I replace it with home made baby builds. :)
C
Well, the green ringer isn't a true ring modulator. It's an octave generator, producing X^2 for the frequency. It's imperfect and sounds "bad" (to me, I realize this is a pretty meaningless term) because of the summing of harmonics. True ring modulation is a product of oscillation. And I like using ring mod on recordings as a "wtf" sound. (If anyone's curious, skip to 3:50 here, though it's a little hard to hear: http://midwayfair.bandcamp.com/)
Mine does not sound different from other demos online, and I was pretty serious about not using a box on it. And I'll box almost anything. ;)
Oh my bad, I assumed it was a RM. Ya I actually don't like octave up effects. My Micro POG always has upper turned all the way down.
C
The green ringer was one of the first circuits I breadboarded, I didn't care for it by itself, but throw a fuzz in with it, and I liked the results. I didn't know how to match the trannies, so I was just trying out different ones until I found a combination that gave me the sound I liked.
Quote from: midwayfair on September 18, 2012, 07:23:22 PM
(If anyone's curious, skip to 3:50 here, though it's a little hard to hear: http://midwayfair.bandcamp.com/)
I can't hear it- sounds like some high notes on a synth maybe- super subtle in this recording. Great sounding rec though, will have to listen to more of your band's stuff. Vox are reminiscent of Cat Stevens a bit.
Quote from: glowsheep on September 18, 2012, 07:32:56 PM
The green ringer was one of the first circuits I breadboarded, I didn't care for it by itself, but throw a fuzz in with it, and I liked the results. I didn't know how to match the trannies, so I was just trying out different ones until I found a combination that gave me the sound I liked.
glowsheep, I might still have to look into this further, sounds like my Macheen which on it's own I don't like (without changing settings entirely) but combined with other dirt pedals is fantastic.
I just learned how to insert quotes. Woot.
C
Quote from: Om_Audio on September 18, 2012, 07:25:49 PM
Oh my bad, I assumed it was a RM.
It's usually called a "faux ring modulator," so I wouldn't say you misunderstood anything. The octave is generated in a manner similar one of the ways to create ring modulation, except it's only half a ring (I think I read that the GR is half rectified? maybe? hard to remember at this point because I didn't bookmark ...). The "ring" in the term comes from the way the diodes are arranged: in a square/ring formation, which creates full wave rectification and all that. Wikipedia has a good lay explanation of the general phenomenon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_modulation
I'm not hugely up on this type of circuitry, mostly because I haven't experimented with altering it. I just read all the stuff I could before and after building it.
I think there's more than one way to create ring modulation. The RM we used in that recording is a plugin copy of the Moog, which is actually a tremolo on steroids: at low settings it does normal trem, but the pot swings around for a second turn and creates ring modulation. You can get a similar effect by messing with the speed on an optical trem. There are also ring modulation sounds that can be coaxed out of certain analog delays, goodness knows what's happening there.
Edit: Great, typing all this out has me wanting to play with the circuit to see what can be done ...
Edit edit: There it is, the Wikipedia article explains it ... true ring mod produces 2x "regarded as multiplication, this amounts to squaring." The GR produces X^2, which is the same thing but I think we can see how doubling multiple frequencies is not the same as squaring multiple frequencies ... this is probably why Ring Mods can produce 5ths from double stops, but the GR produces ... something gross.
Quote from: midwayfair on September 18, 2012, 07:54:19 PM
The "ring" in the term comes from the way the diodes are arranged: in a square/ring formation, which creates full wave rectification and all that. Wikipedia has a good lay explanation of the general phenomenon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_modulation
Edit: Great, typing all this out has me wanting to play with the circuit to see what can be done ...
Edit edit: There it is, the Wikipedia article explains it ... true ring mod produces 2x "regarded as multiplication, this amounts to squaring." The GR produces X^2, which is the same thing but I think we can see how doubling multiple frequencies is not the same as squaring multiple frequencies ... this is probably why Ring Mods can produce 5ths from double stops, but the GR produces ... something gross.
Very cool about the actual ring arrangement of diodes!!
I hope you do mess with it and see what you can get.
The Wiki info is interesting, will have to look over your explanation closer to see if I can understand it better. ME=n00b
Made me remember this album, track 2:
http://www.allmusic.com/album/inner-worlds-mw0000116252
:)
C
Quote from: Om_Audio on September 18, 2012, 08:08:21 PMME=n00b
Me too. :)
Thanks for sharing the McLaughlan track.