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General => Global Annoucements => Topic started by: madbean on April 13, 2023, 06:48:53 PM

Title: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: madbean on April 13, 2023, 06:48:53 PM
The EHX/JHS collab came out a couple days ago and looks to be a mash-up of a couple well-known Tim Escobedo circuits. I breadboarded it yesterday and it sounds good so I made a quick Etcher's Paradise project if you want to DIY your own PCB. I put in some suggestions and added a couple optional mods, too.

Under the "Fuzz" section: https://www.madbeanpedals.com/EP/index.html

(https://www.madbeanpedals.com/EP/schematics/Dragonthlayur.gif)

Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jessenator on April 13, 2023, 07:24:38 PM
Sweet! I'll have to take a look at this one. Dumb question: were you able to breadboard it on a single "slab" ? (That's not the name...) I'm guessing so, but thought I'd ask. Thanks, Brian!
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on April 13, 2023, 08:19:04 PM
I like the clipping options. How does the fuzz sound with the led?


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Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jessenator on April 13, 2023, 09:28:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/aZzmzuk.jpg)
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: WonkoTheSane on April 14, 2023, 02:25:29 AM
Trooooooogdooooooooooooor!
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: Aleph Null on April 14, 2023, 05:46:35 PM
Has anyone even taken delivery of an official unit yet?! Did you figure this all out from watching the announcement video?
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on April 14, 2023, 07:48:50 PM
Nope, they haven't starting shipping yet. Apparently, in the video the board is held up. I didn't watch the whole thing. I did preorder a nano, though.


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Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: madbean on April 14, 2023, 09:36:09 PM
Sounding pretty gnarly. I wanted to use a 14mm pot and I only had a 5kC. So, I dropped a 3k3 in parallel to make a 2k pot and used that for the balanced control. Makes it rather unruly in some settings. I like it but I may tweak it a bit more. Might try to dial out a little low end. Overall, it sounds great!

Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on April 14, 2023, 10:08:00 PM
Very kewl


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Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: WonkoTheSane on April 15, 2023, 12:26:16 AM
Can probably increase R4, R6 and R7 to 22K too for more fun.
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: Aentons on April 15, 2023, 02:47:18 AM
https://youtu.be/3h9xW6ZfCX8
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: madbean on April 16, 2023, 12:12:06 AM
Some art. Not mine, but art nonetheless.

Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on April 16, 2023, 01:08:38 AM
Oh man, this one is getting the box treatment, nice. Now I gotta hear it.
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: madbean on April 16, 2023, 08:56:04 PM
All done! I replaced the RED LED with a clear white. It changes the front end attack quite a bit and sounds rad. really happy how this turned out.

Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on April 16, 2023, 09:33:30 PM
Very cool man.


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Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: gordo on April 16, 2023, 09:40:51 PM
I like this one.  I'll try swapping the red LED for a white.  The 1k control doesn't really do too much other than smooth out the top end a bit at full CW and all I had was a 1kB so it's a bit bunched up.  I went with your recommendations on the transistors.  What's cool is that rather than clean up with rolling off the guitar volume it changes character quite a bit and in some interesting ways.  Like at the lower end with the octave cranked it gets kinda ring mod.

Nice touch with the tropical fish!  I just have plain old box caps  :(
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on April 16, 2023, 09:43:27 PM
I haven't etched anything in a while, you guys are gonna make me do it again, aren't you?


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Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: imjonwain on April 20, 2023, 01:13:19 AM
I thought it was called Lizard Queer when I first saw photos of it pop up.
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Ml04Yj8_VIYMsY_mnyehvg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM2MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/guitar_world_625/964c524867ba0e5bf1dc94d194cf8bc6)
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jwin615 on April 20, 2023, 02:21:03 AM
Quote from: imjonwain on April 20, 2023, 01:13:19 AM
I thought it was called Lizard Queer when I first saw photos of it pop up.
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Ml04Yj8_VIYMsY_mnyehvg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM2MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/guitar_world_625/964c524867ba0e5bf1dc94d194cf8bc6)

I keep seeing Lizard Queef. And I can't unsee it.
And it somehow sounds more EHX...
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: Aleph Null on April 20, 2023, 04:17:56 PM
Quote from: jwin615 on April 20, 2023, 02:21:03 AM
Quote from: imjonwain on April 20, 2023, 01:13:19 AMI thought it was called Lizard Queer when I first saw photos of it pop up.
(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Ml04Yj8_VIYMsY_mnyehvg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTY0MDtoPTM2MA--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/guitar_world_625/964c524867ba0e5bf1dc94d194cf8bc6)

I keep seeing Lizard Queef. And I can't unsee it.
And it somehow sounds more EHX...

"Lizard Queef" immediately reminded me of cloacal popping. Go to the 30 second mark in the video to hear defensive snake farts.

Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: selfdestroyer on April 20, 2023, 06:05:05 PM
Welp I no longer have an issue of what to call my pedal! Thanks everyone. lol
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: Aentons on April 20, 2023, 06:13:10 PM
Omg... Defensive snake farting...I can't stop laughing  ;D
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on April 20, 2023, 08:26:40 PM
Quote from: Aentons on April 20, 2023, 06:13:10 PM
Omg... Defensive snake farting...I can't stop laughing  ;D
I claim that band name.


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Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: Doorlord on April 20, 2023, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: jimilee on April 20, 2023, 08:26:40 PM
Quote from: Aentons on April 20, 2023, 06:13:10 PM
Omg... Defensive snake farting...I can't stop laughing  ;D
I claim that band name.

Dang...Missed it by that much.


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Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: WonkoTheSane on April 21, 2023, 02:24:24 AM
LOL, that's awesome.
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on April 25, 2023, 10:47:26 PM
Daaaammn, no I remember why I went to fabbed boards. The drilling just kills me. If I didn't screw it up, I may have an extra.


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Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on May 04, 2023, 12:51:17 AM
Quote from: madbean on April 16, 2023, 08:56:04 PM
All done! I replaced the RED LED with a clear white. It changes the front end attack quite a bit and sounds rad. really happy how this turned out.
Dude, so I got the 99.00 Lizard Queen last Friday. I finished building this tonight. Sounds Identical to my ears. I used 10ufs instead of 22ufs.
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jessenator on May 04, 2023, 01:45:48 AM
Quote from: jimilee on May 04, 2023, 12:51:17 AM
Dude, so I got the 99.00 Lizard Queen last Friday. I finished building this tonight. Sounds Identical to my ears. I used 10ufs instead of 22ufs.
Jimi did you use special 100nF caps on your build?

My fabbed boards came in on Monday, but I keep running into craptastic hurdles so I haven't built one from them. Should work, though, since the schematic was good.
(https://i.imgur.com/dkcAybVh.jpg)
full disclosure
(https://i.imgur.com/aYWu5YYm.jpg)
happy to share gerbers and build doc once it's verified, though it's done with sub-mini switch footprint, which I kind of regret with the other board design I got fabbed... I might change it to be standard sized thru pin footprint instead.

I have Brian's hand-etched board nearly done and in the box, but I don't have any standoffs! I could use junk and hot glue, but for Brian's board, I want it to be my best effort.... doing that one ALL by hand, which should be interesting, seeing how I've already had three close shaves that nearly screwed the pooch. IT'LL ALL BE WORTH IT …right?  :P It'll be fine, I just need to not screw up anymore. I'm too reliant on technology/machining.
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on May 04, 2023, 11:31:19 AM
I did use 100nf caps, yes. Screwing up is part of the process, don't sweat it.


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Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jessenator on May 05, 2023, 12:22:56 AM
Quote from: jimilee on May 04, 2023, 11:31:19 AM
I did use 100nf caps, yes.
nah, I mean, did you use any special flavors of 100nF?
Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jimilee on May 05, 2023, 12:39:07 AM
Quote from: jessenator on May 05, 2023, 12:22:56 AM
Quote from: jimilee on May 04, 2023, 11:31:19 AM
I did use 100nf caps, yes.
nah, I mean, did you use any special flavors of 100nF?
No sir, just whatever Tayda sells.


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Title: Re: New Etcher's Paradise Project: Dragonthlayur - the EHX Lizard Queen
Post by: jessenator on May 06, 2023, 03:29:39 AM
Got my Dragonthayur board working! Like I said, many mistakes in my design that I'm rectifying, but overall, I love the sound. One weird thing: I've seen other schematics (and the Lizard Queen) call out different component values for the transistors, and particularly Q1: I was getting almost no signal out until I changed Q1 for a Darlington (MPSA13 per Brian's schematic). Started out with a 2n2222, and it reads good before and after, had solid joints too, so no idea what was going on. But it works now!

revised layout (so far) in a 1590B with 19mm Davies knobs and non-sub-miniature SPDT
(https://i.imgur.com/l1lGeIP.png)

and with 13mm Davies knobs
(https://i.imgur.com/2iIRY9z.png)
new board is still spaghetti and looks awful, so no shots of that yet

1590B will have side jacks. My working model is a 1590N1/125B, so it gets top jacks. That thing, though, is uglier than my board (really bad PLA print AND bondo...yikes)

Nice work on this one, Brian, sounds great and the white LED lends a nice tonal variation. Now to finish up the hand-etch board build.