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Title: 50kB to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: Bio77 on December 17, 2018, 10:10:37 PM
Hi all,

I need a 25kC pot for my next build, but I'm having trouble finding one.  Can I solder a 50k resistor across two legs of a 50kC pot as a work around?   
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: cooder on December 17, 2018, 10:44:12 PM
That should work afaik.
Here's a bit of discussion about it:
https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=90931.0 (https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=90931.0)
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: Bio77 on December 17, 2018, 10:53:57 PM
Cool, thanks cooder. 

Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: Rockhorst on December 18, 2018, 09:24:10 AM
Some info on the particular circuit would be helpful.
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: Bio77 on December 18, 2018, 10:46:41 PM
Quote from: Rockhorst on December 18, 2018, 09:24:10 AM
Some info on the particular circuit would be helpful.

Here is a shot of the part of the circuit in question, I thought that would be more illustrative.  I can upload the whole schematic if necessary. 

I plan to place the resistor across pin 1 and 3 of the pot.
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: Bio77 on December 18, 2018, 10:56:43 PM
I did some searching on pot tapers and learned that most audio pots are not truly logarithmic, they are a combo of two linear tapers.  I'm thinking that placing a resistor in parallel will actually give a more anti-log response.  I'm excited to give this a try. 

Here is a picture of different pot tapers and also some plots I made for tapers expected from different combos of pots and resistors. 
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: cooder on December 18, 2018, 10:59:51 PM
Very cool, do you have a software to calculate the taper changes or a link to a calculator?
And yes the proof is in the pudding. Give it a try.
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: Bio77 on December 18, 2018, 11:50:51 PM
I made the taper plots in excel, I can send you the file if you want, PM me.
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: cooder on December 21, 2018, 11:10:09 PM
Quote from: Bio77 on December 18, 2018, 11:50:51 PM
I made the taper plots in excel, I can send you the file if you want, PM me.
Very kind and cool, will send you PM! Cheers and Merry Xmas!
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: bryanrichie on December 28, 2018, 09:19:37 PM
This is very interesting! Would it be possible to simulate a 50kC pot out of a 250kB pot?
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: EBK on December 28, 2018, 09:45:22 PM
If you can find a 50kC dual gang pot, you can wire both halves in parallel and not have the taper change.  I did something somewhat similar on a build once.
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: Bio77 on January 03, 2019, 12:20:28 AM
Quote from: bryanrichie on December 28, 2018, 09:19:37 PM
This is very interesting! Would it be possible to simulate a 50kC pot out of a 250kB pot?

I haven't tested my idea out yet, but the math works.  Actually, you just made me realize that the OP was for converting a C pot to a C pot, which isn't nearly as cool as converting a B to a C.  That's what is modeled above. 

Here is a few plots of the R tapers 50kCs made with a 100kB, 250kB, and a 500kB.

 
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: cooder on January 03, 2019, 03:24:41 AM
That's very usefull stuff, thanks! Also thanks for sending me those excel files, top notch!
Title: Re: 50kC to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: Bio77 on February 02, 2019, 12:14:08 AM
So, I tried this and it didn't work.  Does any one have any ideas where my logic is flawed?

I used a 100kB pot and ran a 33k resistor in parallel with lugs 1 and 3.  So R14 should always see 25k from the pot (100*33/(100+33)=24.8).  The voltage divider at lug 2 should work the same no mater the value of the resistors used.

Does that seem right?

Title: Re: 50kB to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: Bio77 on February 02, 2019, 02:22:14 AM
So, I switched out the work-around (100kB with 33k) for a 25kB pot, the mids control is still not appreciable.  Maybe the work-around was working after all. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: 50kB to 25kC Pot Mod?
Post by: alanp on February 02, 2019, 05:55:07 AM
https://www.diystompboxes.com/analogalchemy/emh/emh.html (https://www.diystompboxes.com/analogalchemy/emh/emh.html)