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Projects => General Questions => Mods => Topic started by: LaceSensor on October 08, 2011, 05:18:21 PM

Title: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: LaceSensor on October 08, 2011, 05:18:21 PM
Any way to get a bit more speed outta the rate knob on the pork barrel?
Sounds cool but want faster !

Something with a swtichable resistor mod would be ideal I reckon...
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: madbean on October 08, 2011, 07:08:36 PM
Drop the value of the resistor directly next to the speed pot. You could do this by either replacing that resistor with a lower value or by switching in one in parallel of the same value.
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: Scruffie on October 08, 2011, 07:24:39 PM
Or you can shrink the value of the 100nF cap in the LFO section, stick it on a switch perhaps between a smaller and larger value.
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: LaceSensor on October 08, 2011, 11:04:13 PM
Thanks for the tips! Will try and report back.

Great projects as always Brian. Looking forward to the low riders I've ordered for me and my bass player
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: LaceSensor on October 09, 2011, 11:00:28 AM
Just to check

There are resistors connected to all 3 lugs of the rate pot

1 - 10k
2 - 1M
3 - 47K

Which one would you recommend I mess with?

Thanks
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: madbean on October 09, 2011, 12:42:00 PM
Drop the value of the 10k. That sets the maximum speed when the pot is fully clockwise.
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: LaceSensor on October 09, 2011, 05:13:20 PM
Cheers!
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: bigmufffuzzwizz on October 09, 2011, 05:17:49 PM
Just finished my PB earlier this week, and I had the same request. It sounds fabulous but the slow speed is really too slow (it doesn't seem to be chorusing) and I am fan of modulation effects that get pretty fast and crazy.
I'll drop the 10k to increase max speed, is it the same resistor or a different one that sets the minimum speed?
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: LaceSensor on October 09, 2011, 06:10:02 PM
mine is the version 2 is that the same deal?
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: bigmufffuzzwizz on October 09, 2011, 06:41:20 PM
Quote from: LaceSensor on October 09, 2011, 06:10:02 PM
mine is the version 2 is that the same deal?

Yes that's the version I built. Looking at the schem the 47k (R33) is on the opposite turn of the speed pot, I'm thinking that might adjust the slower speeds. Making a guess but I think I'll look up some LFO circuits.
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: LaceSensor on October 09, 2011, 06:42:32 PM
Kinda killing me right now as this thing was meant to knock a biyang ch-8 off my board and I dont think it will (!)
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: Scruffie on October 09, 2011, 11:53:00 PM
If you change the 100nF though you'll shift the entire range so those slow speeds wont even be achievable any more.

Makes much more sense to me than trying to adjust the maximum and minimum range.

If you feel the Biyang is superior in sound perhaps consider changing the Clock cap to adjust the (delay) intensity of the effect, the 47pF.
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: LaceSensor on October 10, 2011, 10:05:28 PM
Quote from: Scruffie on October 09, 2011, 11:53:00 PM
If you change the 100nF though you'll shift the entire range so those slow speeds wont even be achievable any more.

Makes much more sense to me than trying to adjust the maximum and minimum range.

If you feel the Biyang is superior in sound perhaps consider changing the Clock cap to adjust the (delay) intensity of the effect, the 47pF.

Have not messed with any caps yet, tried to run another 10k resistor in parallel and didn't her any discernible difference in speed.

Ideally I'd like it to go very fast and keep the slows too.
It's not that it sounds bad or inferior, on the contrary it's a lovely sound but I need fast chorus.

I also like that the biyang adds level but I can always add a sho or similar on with a trimpot
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: madbean on October 11, 2011, 12:31:50 AM
One other thing I though of: change the rate pot to 1M and R35 to 100k. I think that would keep the slowest speed but also increase the max speed. Leave R36 at 10k, I think.
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: LaceSensor on October 15, 2011, 08:25:40 PM
Hey bean, with the second board I'm going to socket a bunch and see what the results are. Bass player is gonna probably take this first one. It does sound lush, just a tad more rate and it'd be perfect.

One other gripe, I did the wet switch for ore bass. Can't really hear more bass and also the switch pops. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: bigmufffuzzwizz on October 15, 2011, 09:20:00 PM
I built this one for my bass player as well and I have to agree it sounds really great. He used it at our last show and a few people complimented me on the sound of it. I wanted to speed this one up cause it stops right before things get swirly. I should be able to get a chance to try some of the suggested mods in the upcoming week.
I also noticed that the bass switch doesn't really seem to add much. Is it supposed to be a very subtle change?
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: pricklyrobot on November 21, 2011, 06:03:16 PM
I'm really digging my recently completed (version 2) Pork Barrel, but I find I'm leaving the "Deep" switch on all the time.

Wondering if I could make this sound the default (i.e. toggle-off), and save the switch for a more extreme sound. If I'm interpreting the schematic correctly (and there's every chance I'm not  ;) ), I'm thinking change C18 from 47pF to 100pF (approximately the value of C18 + C26).

Then maybe put a socket at C26 and just experiment for the desired level of toggle-on wackiness.
Title: Re: Speed up the Pork Barrell?
Post by: roseblood11 on October 17, 2012, 08:31:57 PM
Quote from: madbean on October 11, 2011, 12:31:50 AM
One other thing I though of: change the rate pot to 1M and R35 to 100k. I think that would keep the slowest speed but also increase the max speed. Leave R36 at 10k, I think.

Did anyone try this? Would be the most elegant way to get more max speed and retein the min speed, i guess.


How is the speed mod realized in the Keeley and Monte Allumns versions? And what might Monte Allumns do to achieve this:
QuoteThe richness of the actual chorus effect has also been enhanced.
I don't want to copy those mods exactly, would just be interesting to know.