I was looking at getting a bulk order of these direct from PTC and have received a price. Their MOQ is 900 units, and at this quantity you would expect the price to be favourable. However the price is quite a bit higher then I expected. Without giving too much away let me say this, any seller selling pt2399's under 60c usd I would consider possibly suspicious. I know quantity has an effect on the price of course, but the difference is quite significant compared to a lot of the prices I have researched particularly in the usual harbour for dodgy good being ebay. There have been rumors of fakes and 'factory 2nds', but im wondering if a lot of the pt2399 woes that everybody has had over the years has come from a rogue manufacturer of these chips, pumping them out on the side (ive heard rumors of a chinese manufacturer doing this, the batch of "UTC" chips that were floating around a few years ago).
So I guess the point of this post is to get your opinion on the subject and a warning to new builders looking for pt2399's and see them on ebay for less then 20c each, I see no possible way that they could be buying them from PTC that cheaply, there has to be something fishy with those.
That certainly makes a lot of sense.
Did the pricing scale significantly with higher quantities? In the chip buying world, 900 units is a relatively small amount of ICs. It's unlikely that it would scale down to 20 cents a chip, but I would expect it to lower quite a bit at 10k pieces vs. 900 pieces.
There's also issues you see with overrun stock; this is fairly common in Asia. Dealer X needs 5k parts but gets significantly better pricing if they buy 10k parts. So they buy 10k and sell off the excess inventory at reduced cost to third part dealers. That's probably not what's happening here, but I suppose it's possible.
In the end, it's probably an Occam's Razor scenario: The better parts dealers usually sell these for $2+. If somebody is selling them for half of that or less, there's probably something funky going on.
I found out it was worth paying a bit more from reputable dealers for the pt2399 pretty early on in this hobby
Smallbear is my benchmark for "probably more expensive but definitely the real part" and theirs have always been $4.
To be honest, the only difference I was able to find was that I never got a dud from them, but I only get them when I'm making a PT2399 pedal for someone else, so I haven't used nearly as many. There are obviously thousands of pedals running around with the Tayda etc. cheap chips. It's actually one of the last active components I WILL buy from Tayda because I figure that even if 66% of them are bad I'm coming out ahead. I don't get them on Ebay, though. That's just too big of a gamble to me for almost any part.
Im considering starting a preorder on them, selling them in lots of 10 with a small margin. 900 is a lot, that would take me a long time to get through, but the advantage I guess is that we all end up with 100% confirmed chips from the manufacturer.
Any interest in this sort of thing?
I would be interested Paul, have a few too many PT2399 projects lying around that need populating.
Lots of 10 fresh from the manufacturer sound like a great idea to me, ive got a collection of eBay ones that are just as likely foxtrot across my desk as they are to repeat a guitar signal so plug and play sounds good!
I would be, depending on cost.
Marty
I probably would. There are a couple builds I could replace the chips in, and it would give me a couple leftovers for customer orders.
87 more people to go?
I'm in for 10.
I might be interested too if the price was right. I'm always happy to throw a little business your way for good parts. Might be a little different for a chance other then my usual fair of Russian diodes and SMD trannies.
I'd be interested if the price is right. I've gotten mine from all kinds of various places and haven't - knock on wood - had any real issues yet, but it's possible that some of my older builds that were a bit on the 'meh' side were due to bad 2399s.
I'd probably go in for at least 10
I'm good for 10 or 20.
In for 10
I'd be interested in 10.
I'd probably grab some, especially if they are the SMT version. I doubt you'd have as much demand for those, however.
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Yeah pickdropper, wont be SMT, most people will want TH as you would imagine...sorry.
Thanks guys, seems there should be 'enough' interest to kick this off. worst case scenario i will end up with 800 pt2399's gathering dust next to the xvive 3005's. These I will look into it on Monday and work out a price.
Cheers
Paul
I'd be in for 10
You can count me in for 10 Paul. Don't really need em right now but 10 would likely be a 'lifetime supply' for me.
Need a couple more of your MN3005 also for when the tap tempo delay come out.
I just love your shop mate, all great stuff in there at a real fair price.
You could probably twist my arm for 10 too - if nothing else, would be nice to have some bona fide chips in the stash to use as a reference for any others I have/come by.
Looking like the price would be about 90c each (in lots of 10). Ill see if I can muster up some $$$ and place an order with PTC. Their lead time is 8-10 weeks though so there is no hurry.
sounds good to me
I'd like in too
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Quote from: chromesphere on May 30, 2016, 02:06:23 AM
Looking like the price would be about 90c each (in lots of 10). Ill see if I can muster up some $$$ and place an order with PTC. Their lead time is 8-10 weeks though so there is no hurry.
That's actually way better than I expected.
Yeah, I'm in for 1 or 2 bundles as well.
Holy cow, that's way better than I was expecting.
Pretty minimal margin, a bulk deal you could say. This is also "approximately" but will be around this price (have to wait till other expenses are confirmed).
I just had the Moodring I sold come back with a locked up Tayda PT2399. I'd be in for at least 10.
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I don't have any builds planned but I'll buy 10 when I've got a couple of other things to order.
It's really awesome of you to offer this.
Thanks guys. Probably wont have a chance to order in a few weeks, I've got loads of stuff to pay for at the moment, stock is getting low, but will order as soon as I catch up.
At this point i'm not keen on a preorder either. Im a little scared of preorders after XVIVE mn3005's....that was a killer....
I would certainly be willing to pre-pay. I done it for several boards and would have no problem doing it for this. I can also understand your hesitation after the Xvive deal.
I know I'm late to this party but I'd definitively be in for 10 Paul. Got a few delay/reverb builds still in my build queue.
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I would pre-pay as well. I have used up all of my good Small Bear 2399's and am finally seeing the same issues on the spotty Tayda 2399's. My recently finished Sagan Delay is jonesing for some quality ICs!
Id prepay for 2 lots, if it would help
Hi guys,
I knew the pt2399's were causing troubles but it would appear more then I had anticipated. No need for the prepay, I would rather risk my own when it comes to $$. I'm currently in discussions with PTC to organise this to happen. Will update this thread as we go (including a final price for the chips).
Cheers
Paul