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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: GammaFlex on June 02, 2014, 02:01:55 PM

Title: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: GammaFlex on June 02, 2014, 02:01:55 PM
So here's my predicament, I am trying to find the most effective way to do some calligraphy (Kanji) on some enclosures that are already painted, I'm doing these for a friend and he has already spray painted the enclosures, there is no clearcoat on them but I don't want to do it and then have it just fall apart on him due to me using the wrong paint type etc....

Is there an effective way to add paintwork on top of existing paint or should I simply ask him for a bare enclosure? Also what kind of paint do you think would be the most effective?
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: stecykmi on June 02, 2014, 02:42:43 PM
I have terrible handwriting, but I would use a brush and either model paint or rustoleum. You are looking for enamel type paint, it can't be anything water based. Home depot or whatever local equvalent should carry it.

Give it a good long time to fully dry and you can clear coat it afterwards. It liable to smear if it's not properly dried.

Good luck!

Edit: Jon (midwayfair) does a lot of painting, he'd be able to give some good advice.
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: midwayfair on June 02, 2014, 02:45:22 PM
Yeah, use a brush and some decent acrylic. Testors or Tamiya are both good.

Practice the writing beforehand on some scrap paper or something else. It will be hard to get it off spray paint when you do it.
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: derevaun on June 02, 2014, 03:20:33 PM
I'm a big fan of India ink--it's composed of soot suspended in shellac, and is quite resistant to fading or running, if you let it dry fully. But I haven't tried it on glossy paint over metal.
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: davent on June 02, 2014, 03:42:10 PM
I've been using India Ink on enclosures painted first with artists acrylics. Recently been playing with diluted gouache which is great because even after it dries you can wash it off with water and try again. I use a ruling pen or popcanpen (made from thin brass) to apply, sometimes a dip pen with various nibs.

http://www.popcanpen.com/how_to/howto_make%20_pen.html
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHMO_enCA576CA576&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=ruling%20pen%20calligraphy

Test piece with dilute gouache and ruling pen.

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/davent/IMG_6226_zps84c73d41.jpg)

India Ink with popcanpen and dip pens
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/davent/IED/IMG_4971_zps5652ebee.jpg)

Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: Russian on June 02, 2014, 05:05:16 PM
Great to know this Davent! Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: Soup39 on June 02, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
Write the caligraphy on plain paper, scan it, and turn it into a waterslide decal
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: wgc on June 03, 2014, 01:46:05 AM
Or print right from word using the font of your choice on water slide, if you're not any good at calligraphy that is
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: chromesphere on June 03, 2014, 02:21:32 AM
Quote from: davent on June 02, 2014, 03:42:10 PM
I've been using India Ink on enclosures painted first with artists acrylics. Recently been playing with diluted gouache which is great because even after it dries you can wash it off with water and try again. I use a ruling pen or popcanpen (made from thin brass) to apply, sometimes a dip pen with various nibs.

http://www.popcanpen.com/how_to/howto_make%20_pen.html
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHMO_enCA576CA576&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=ruling%20pen%20calligraphy

Test piece with dilute gouache and ruling pen.

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/davent/IMG_6226_zps84c73d41.jpg)

India Ink with popcanpen and dip pens
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/davent/IED/IMG_4971_zps5652ebee.jpg)

Dave, your artwork and knowledge of techniques never ceases to inspire me.  You are the master pedal artist.
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: das234 on June 03, 2014, 02:44:03 AM
Yeah, Paul, Davent strikes me as a serious artist too with some of the unusual tools and techniques I've never heard of.

As for the calligraphy paint, if it were me, I'd tend to listen to Jon's (midwayfair) suggestions since he does a ton of hand painted stuff. 

Regardless of what you try, I will echo this... test your materials and technique on something expendable before you try it on the final enclosure!
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: GammaFlex on June 03, 2014, 03:07:56 AM
Awesome, I have some nice brushes but I'm going to pick up some of the India Ink and see what I can make happen. Might even try one on one of mine if it turns out nice.
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: lincolnic on June 03, 2014, 04:21:16 AM
If you want to paint it by hand and make sure it's right, why not make yourself a stencil first?
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: das234 on June 03, 2014, 08:53:49 PM
As a guy who usually likes to minimize his chances for surprises and failures, I'd normally agree with stencils, jigs, etc. that would improve consistency, accuracy and repeatability.  But, if I understand anything about calligraphy (and I'm not saying I do), I think it's an art that's more about the hand-drawn brush strokes and the subtle nuances that would suffer in the stencilling process.
Title: Re: Calligraphy on Enclosures
Post by: lincolnic on June 04, 2014, 03:19:48 AM
Yeah, plus in hindsight, GammaFlex was asking about using specific paint types on top of pre-painted enclosures. My response was pretty far removed from the original question - sorry!