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Title: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 04, 2014, 10:26:22 PM
So I was thinking as I am an amateur guitar pedal builder, I decided to get some schematics for a distortion pedal that uses parts like ICs or more parts e.g the lovepedals black magic. Does anyone have any good ideas or stripboard layout schematics for some good but easy-ish distortion pedals and btw I play metal not pop music so just lets stick to distortion/fuzz for now :)  :P . The vero layout is on this page :http://revolutiondeux.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/lovepedal-black-magic-distortion.html?m=1

Thanks :)
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: muddyfox on March 04, 2014, 11:24:59 PM

Check out Mark's board. I've built plenty of those...

http://tagboardeffects.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: GermanCdn on March 04, 2014, 11:59:26 PM
Yes, Mark's site is good, but be careful with the transistor pinouts and follow the labelling, not the pictorial of the transistors, as they do not always match (i.e. socket your transistors and while you're at it, your IC's).
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 05, 2014, 05:52:00 AM
Thanks  :) time to make a shopping list   ;D
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 05, 2014, 01:37:46 PM
Quote from: muddyfox on March 04, 2014, 11:24:59 PM

Check out Mark's board. I've built plenty of those...

http://tagboardeffects.blogspot.com/

+1 for this. I've used a bunch of his layouts. I also frequent www.Sabrotone.com. I was looking at doing a fat sandwich clone sometime down the line.
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: muddyfox on March 05, 2014, 02:13:05 PM

The only "issue" I have with Harald Sabro's site is that he likes to use resistors standing up. Mark always has them lying flat. I've built a dozen of Harald's layouts as well but always found upright resistors a hassle to do neatly. YMMV.
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 05, 2014, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: muddyfox on March 05, 2014, 02:13:05 PM

The only "issue" I have with Harald Sabro's site is that he likes to use resistors standing up. Mark always has them lying flat. I've built a dozen of Harald's layouts as well but always found upright resistors a hassle to do neatly. YMMV.


Agreed. The stand ups are hard to do gracefully. I use my needle nose and bend them around the closed end, that way they look pretty. I've built a bunch of Mark's and Harold's builds. I can say Mark's Zombie chorus didn't work (3 boards cut) but Harold's worked first try. Both sites are great and Harold offers some things Mark doesn't and vice versa.
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: dondougie on March 05, 2014, 02:31:47 PM
Both are great sites and I have build lots of pedals with layouts from both of them. One other thing to keep in mind in addition to the standing/flat resistors are the cap spacings. Sabro always has 5mm spacing for film caps (sometimes 2,5, but you can bend them easily), which is really convenient if you have WIMAS or other box caps with short legs. With Mark's/Miro's layouts, I sometimes had to solder leads to the cap's legs because they weren't long enough for the layout.
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: muddyfox on March 05, 2014, 02:32:57 PM

That's right. Forgot about the caps...
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: GermanCdn on March 05, 2014, 02:46:37 PM
Just use greenies for vero projects, cheaper and easier to manipulate than film box, and keeps the investment low so that if the choice comes down to troubleshooting a vero build or building another with $0.70 worth of parts, the choice becomes clear......
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 05, 2014, 02:52:49 PM
Quote from: GermanCdn on March 05, 2014, 02:46:37 PM
Just use greenies for vero projects, cheaper and easier to manipulate than film box, and keeps the investment low so that if the choice comes down to troubleshooting a vero build or building another with $0.70 worth of parts, the choice becomes clear......

Yup! I build 2. One for debugging (with greenies) that I keep, and a "final build" if i have a customer for it. Here is a picture of how I do upright resistors.
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 05, 2014, 02:55:45 PM
Quick tip, save the leads you cut if you plan on doing a lot of vero/strip board projects. These work better than most wire and fit nicely under the IC sockets.
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 07, 2014, 07:36:39 PM
Thanks guys it works but it jusd dosent want to get out it sounds constipated tbh its just like a bad sound. I think its the caps on the in/out
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 07, 2014, 07:37:38 PM
Also my bazz fuss sounds like this too :(
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: juansolo on March 07, 2014, 08:07:31 PM
Mark (tagboard) and Harold (sabrotone) are my two main go to's for vero. About the best veroists out there. Though I'm lazy these days and just get Haberdasher to etch stuff instead ;)
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: muddyfox on March 07, 2014, 08:21:47 PM

Mirosol and John Kallas also do great work on Mark's site...
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 07, 2014, 10:09:13 PM
Also I thought of a cool idea. As I maks some solder bridges, I put a perm marker in each hole ( accept for rhe cut outs) and link all the holes up with more pen but reall thin lines and then I etch it in ammonium pperchlorate  (think thats the name) and so whem I solder it stays on the circles but I still cant think of why my pedal makes the weird noise but plays. Any ideas?  Also il consider sending a sound sample if im not describing it right
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 07, 2014, 10:16:07 PM
Thanks guys any ideas on why tmy bazz fuss cuircuit makes that noise?
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 08, 2014, 02:46:14 AM
Need pictures and the layout you used


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Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: Willybomb on March 08, 2014, 03:01:01 AM
Paulinthelab has a few good ones too.  I've had no issues with Sabrotone, but I've had the occasional fail with Tagboard.  That probably doesn't mean anything, it's probably me.
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 08, 2014, 08:28:43 AM
Ok p.s the circuit im talking about is bazz fuss
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 08, 2014, 08:29:40 AM
And the back
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 08, 2014, 08:46:47 AM
Also my layout is slightly different to the origional as I made it double the size
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: muddyfox on March 08, 2014, 08:52:59 AM
I'm not really following.. why do you need those solder bridges?  ???
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 08, 2014, 08:56:02 AM
Sorry there actually  not solder bridges as the arnet touching anything like I say it still plays but really bad sounding
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: muddyfox on March 08, 2014, 09:20:09 AM
so on the left side of the picture... the row second to last has two components separated by a cut. then you connect both of them via solderbridges to the left last column which effectively connects them and bridges the cut. Also, rows 4 and 6 seem to be connected via row5. They seem to be real solderbridges. Is this on purpose?
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 08, 2014, 10:44:48 AM
No I think its just an illusion as its defo not connected
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: DutchMF on March 08, 2014, 06:16:15 PM
Did you confirm that with a DMM? Looking at those pics, I can only concur with muddyfox that there are a number of places where a solder bridge is at least suspected...... Measure twice, cut once!

Paul
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 08, 2014, 07:43:54 PM
I am wondering why you doubled the amount of rows in the layout. I usually stick with the layout and modify the values. Another tip is to run your soldering iron tip down the row dividers. This should help with unwanted bridges. I also run a razor down them just to be sure.


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Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 08, 2014, 11:06:27 PM
Thanks guys yes ive checked it countless times with a dmm etc but I doubled the size as because I am new to cero, I have a cheap soldering iron so it iz very hard to solder in those tight spaces
Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: LaceSensor on March 08, 2014, 11:17:08 PM
Pretty sure I tried that layout years ago when I was starting out and it didn't work. Look for another layout and or try other transistors/ check pinout.

Title: Re: stripboard projects
Post by: aran.e666 on March 08, 2014, 11:21:50 PM
Well theres only 1 or 2 simple layouts out there but I actually based it of another picture rather than this one but I cant send it as it is not the right file type but il ad the link if you need it :)