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Title: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: juansolo on December 21, 2013, 07:20:40 PM
When I become famous (on TGP) these will be the collecable ones that everyone pays a thousand bucks for ;) Two of a kind and only two. The goldness of the enclosure will embue these two pedals with mojo that no other Klones have!

Ok the reality of these are that I fancied doing something a little different with these two as I was getting a little bored with making big box Klones :P

The top one is for Frank who bagged a Klone a while back and wanted another, but with a few tweaks. It has slightly more bass and less mids. The bottom one is a stock one for Mark (MrBump on the BKP forum).

(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/goldklone1-o.jpg)

(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/goldklone1-i.jpg)

(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/goldklone2-o.jpg)

(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/goldklone2-i.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: marmaliser on December 21, 2013, 07:38:43 PM
Fantastic as always.  I think i might just chuck my iron in the bin and give up !!
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: chuckbuick on December 21, 2013, 07:48:05 PM
Beauties!  I like the unusual LED placement.
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: croquet hoop on December 21, 2013, 07:52:55 PM
unicorn tears + rainbow = awesome.
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: juansolo on December 21, 2013, 08:27:36 PM
Quote from: chuckbuick on December 21, 2013, 07:48:05 PM
Beauties!  I like the unusual LED placement.

Wanted to make it all board mount... That was the theory anyhow. Only as I assembled it did I notice that all the wiring is flipped :) Still it's as close as I can make it and it will almost 'just' pop out ;)
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: stevie1556 on December 22, 2013, 12:03:34 AM
Super neat wiring and love the graphics! Is that a waterslide on it?

And that gold colour is gorgeous!

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Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: juansolo on December 22, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
Adhesive decal with Envirotex over. Gold box by ColesBD of this forum.
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: evildead222 on December 23, 2013, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: chuckbuick on December 21, 2013, 07:48:05 PM
Beauties!  I like the unusual LED placement.

That is super cool, I didnt' notice until i read that.
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: pickdropper on December 23, 2013, 02:12:34 PM
Wow, those do look collectable. 
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: juansolo on December 23, 2013, 04:01:12 PM
I'm going for a change of style if I do any more...

What d'ya think? Too much?

(http://www.juansolo.demon.co.uk/misc/Unicorn.jpg)
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: pickdropper on December 23, 2013, 04:16:15 PM

Quote from: juansolo on December 23, 2013, 04:01:12 PM
I'm going for a change of style if I do any more...

What d'ya think? Too much?

(http://www.juansolo.demon.co.uk/misc/Unicorn.jpg)

I think it's great.

You also need to change 1 cap with the same value but 600v rated.  Don't give any information associated with the change.  Just wait for interesting theories to be presented as to why you did that.
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: evildead222 on December 23, 2013, 04:28:05 PM
Now that's a loose butthole!
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: juansolo on December 23, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
Quote from: pickdropper
I think it's great.

You also need to change 1 cap with the same value but 600v rated.  Don't give any information associated with the change.  Just wait for interesting theories to be presented as to why you did that.

LOL, definitely.
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: jubal81 on December 23, 2013, 10:36:06 PM
Quote from: juansolo on December 23, 2013, 04:01:12 PM
I'm going for a change of style if I do any more...

What d'ya think? Too much?

(http://www.juansolo.demon.co.uk/misc/Unicorn.jpg)

Needs more glitter ...
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: juansolo on December 23, 2013, 10:49:01 PM
I wonder if Coles could do a white glitter powder coat? That'd be AWESOME!
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: pickdropper on December 23, 2013, 10:50:37 PM
Quote from: juansolo on December 23, 2013, 10:49:01 PM
I wonder if Coles could do a white glitter powder coat? That'd be AWESOME!

PPP has a sparkle white, so I would assume he likely can.
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: GrindCustoms on December 23, 2013, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: juansolo on December 23, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
Quote from: pickdropper
I think it's great.

You also need to change 1 cap with the same value but 600v rated.  Don't give any information associated with the change.  Just wait for interesting theories to be presented as to why you did that.

LOL, definitely.

+2
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: Jabulani Jonny on January 11, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
Aww man, these look great and I absolutely promise that I didn't see this post prior to building the Aion Refractor klone.  I was even thinking about a design incorporating unicorns and rainbows for the next one...doh. I love the new design! 


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Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: juansolo on January 11, 2014, 07:18:53 PM
Bizarrely I was going to put brown Fender amp knobs on them too! Great minds think alike ;)
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: Jabulani Jonny on January 22, 2014, 04:11:25 AM
Hey Juan,
Can I ask a couple questions about your klone builds?  I hope so.  I notice you use Carbon Comp resistors in a few spots.  Can you elaborate on which values you use those for and your thoughts behind it?  Also, which clipping diodes are you using in these? 

Thanks!
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: juansolo on January 22, 2014, 09:20:23 AM
They're not carbons, they'll be 5% or whatever they are rather than 1%. No reason other than they're cheaper and the tolerances tend to be really good anyhow.

Diodes are 1N34As with a forward voltage of 260-290mV. We get those from Tayda, but we still meter them all.

The only other change we make to the standard build is the tone cap (C15) which we use an 8n2 rather than a 3n9. When we back-to-backed ours with a friends gold Klon, we found it a little lacking in the (haunting) mids. That swap made them indistinguishable to the point that while he was playing I was switching pedal and he didn't know which one he was playing :)
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: Jabulani Jonny on January 23, 2014, 12:44:43 PM
Now that's interesting on the diode voltage. I thought I read where Klon diodes typically measured around .35 Fv. I used 1N695's in my recent build which measured around .365 each and played it against a Centaur and honestly could not tell a difference.

It would be interesting to see the differences, if any, between Rej's layout and Aion's. I'm looking at buying 5 of Rej's right now.


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Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: GrindCustoms on January 23, 2014, 11:59:13 PM
Quote from: Jabulani Jonny on January 23, 2014, 12:44:43 PM
Now that's interesting on the diode voltage. I thought I read where Klon diodes typically measured around .35 Fv. I used 1N695's in my recent build which measured around .365 each and played it against a Centaur and honestly could not tell a difference.

It would be interesting to see the differences, if any, between Rej's layout and Aion's. I'm looking at buying 5 of Rej's right now.


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The diodes in the klone are really not the most important to look at for me.. to get all of the unicorn tears... i've probably tried every possible diodes i could find to test in my reference klone, that have been A/B'd with a Silver one...  My conclusion is that anything with FwdV between 200 and 350 will get you a sound that is so similar that you might not remember why you liked one more than another.....that's just my interpretation, none of us hear the same way. But i use either 1N34A or 1N270, but i always match them.

Speaking of wich, i got a get a Refraktor from Aion, is layout is plain badass!  8)

But if you compare, schem to schem, they sould be the exact same thing.

If they sound different, it's because tolerances of the components for each build will have piled up if build exactly the same.
Title: Re: Super Collectable Gold Klones!
Post by: Jabulani Jonny on January 24, 2014, 12:21:19 AM
That's good info. Thanks for chiming in. I socketed in my build so I'm going to try 3 or 4 more sets; BAT 41, BAT 46, 1N34A, 1N270 and some OA1160's.


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